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blamebrampton ([personal profile] blamebrampton) wrote2010-09-01 07:27 pm

LJ changes bring LJ musings ...

For my part, I'm not too perturbed about the Facebook and Twitter things, since a couple of my posts went a little viral over the last two years and exactly nothing bad happened as a result. But then, I live in the happy place of having no kids, working as a creative where everyone already thinks I am a little mad, not writing actual porn, and not being able to remember when my last flocked post was, because this is not the place where I post personal stuff.

So I won't be making a list of grumbles about what I'll do if ... because it doesn't really affect me.

But I still think LJ has made a major miscalculation. They've taken a step in the Google/Facebook direction, where the underlying sentiment is that if you want something to be private, it shouldn't be on the internet. I believe that LJ is misreading itself here. For every person who uses their LJ to communicate publicly, there is at least one who uses it to communicate privately. So while the first type of user is like me, where stories, ideas, rants and sometimes just rubbish form the content of posts, the second type of user is someone who is hoping to speak to a small group of people. They may be people that he or she knows and who are far away or busy, so LJ provides a useful forum, or perhaps they are looking for new people who can talk to them and make them feel less alone, which is something that each and every one of us has done at some point in our lives and not everyone has the luxury of a large family or peer group to find those people in.

So for those private people, what LJ has done here is said that your desires are less important than the desires of those who comment on your posts. Now there is a case to be made that comments made on an LJ belong to the commenter and not the poster (indeed, it's the reason I did not import comments to Dreamwidth when I copied much of my LJ over), but picking them up and taking them outside is like you making a phonecall in the middle of a private conversation we're having at my house, so that suddenly the conversation is you, me, and the West Dapto Basketball Team, which is not what I was expecting when I invited you round for a private chat about whether or not your herbal deodorant was working.

And again, when I say that, it's a joke, but for people who are dealing with serious issues, it's not.

For some people I know of on LJ, there are very serious issues indeed. I know of people who have had fandom issues cause them grief in everything from their marriages to working with children. The solution to that in the past has been to make their LJs wholly private, but this new setting removes that certainty of privacy from their hands to the hands of anyone they allow to comment on their posts, because any comment can include a quote, and now go immediately outside the flock.

It is true that in the past people could copy and paste from behind flock anyway, but it was not as easy, and not as certain to have come from the original poster.

So now we have a system where people are reliant on others not to be twats. Which I must say is often a safe thing to rely on, the vast majority of people being actually quite decent*. But in battles of child custody, or in serious investigations into the backgrounds of those wanting to work in many agencies, the rules are not the same.

Now it may be that I have the wrong end of the stick and that somewhere in the chaos that is LJ settings is a box marked: Hide me from Facebook and Twitter, for I care not for them! But I canna find it if it's there.

I do believe that it is something LJ will fix, because they seem to not be complete bastards (unlike Facebook), but I also believe it is something they should have not broken in the first place, and which a small amount of thought would have kept whole.


* In three years on LJ I seem to have attracted about three people who seem to hate me, which at one a year is not actually bad. It appears to bring them great joy. Bless!


[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agree. There should definitely be an Opt in/out option (with no being the default), and I hope there will be soon!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I suspect that your theory on their mentality is close to the truth Which is rather sad.

And yes, giving that power wholly to the commenter is the most disturbing part of the whole thing, to me.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
I just hope Google never buys LJ ;-)
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[personal profile] fourth_rose 2010-09-01 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Don't even joke about a thing like that... *shudders*

[identity profile] phoenixacid.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
They see Brammers rollin', they hatin'... *boos at them* ;)

I really hope that LJ WILL fix it soon. It's just so. not. cool.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
*SNORT!*
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But no booing! It is the right of everyone on the internet to take umbrage wherever they will! For my part, I prefer to expend my energies hating Glenn Beck.

And yeah, not cool is exactly the right phrase.

[identity profile] tomatoe18.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord, even Brammers has something to say about this - this is serious!!!

:P

No, kidding aside, I'm not on Facebook (although you know I am on Twitter), so I'm not overly concerned about privacy settings. But personally I think it's really stupid that they have to do it on the comments as well. I think on the new post page should be enough. (Even then, I'm slightly bothered by the way they seem to be jumping the bandwagon - following the so-called 'trend' - but I guess this is inevitable.)

Although... correct me if I'm wrong (and I definitely can be wrong about this) but I've always had the impression that LJ is a different animal altogether than the likes of Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and whatnot. I always see it something more like Wordpress - a blogging tool - but more social. And while LJ has plenty of communities, but I still think the way comms function differ greatly from, say, a group on FB. So I don't see why LJ should change so much to keep up with these trends. What are they aiming with them anyway? More users? More flexibility? More attention? I have no idea!

Anyway, the settings need to be fixed. The users should still get the option to display or not display these repost to FB and Twitter buttons!

Also, LJ always says that they did surveys and beta-testing with old and new users, but I don't think they really do it. If the number of hate comments directed at them is any indication, they really fail at market research. This baffles me.

Anyway. I can't believe I abandoned some 2700+ books out there in the selling floor, waiting to be displayed, to write this comment for you! XD

[identity profile] quatrefoil.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is precisely why I don't do Facebook.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
HA! yes, if an LJ issue can actually grasp my attention, it must be ... oh look, a kitty!

I agree with you, the fundamental vibe of LJ is just different to FB, and it's silly to pretend it's not. I think you're on the money about the 'testing' -- quite often 'research' ends up meaning 'my mates', and I suspect that may be the case here.

Go and play with your books! I am going to finish my new Pratchett!

[identity profile] shiv5468.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I trust my flist not to do it!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's a safe trust :-)

[identity profile] symetric.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
NO. how could anyone hate on you Brammers? you are warm and fluffy and completely nuts in the nice way obviously and so, so lovely. *luffles*

[identity profile] creme-bun.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It doesn't surprise me that the powers that be - LJ, Facebook or Twitter - are dumb. What does surprise me is you having people who dislike you. You are our voice of reason here. The kind neighbor who goes out of their way to make the newcomers welcome and to make sure the oldtimers are looked after. I'm stunned at this bit of news.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I hate avocado, and yet I can see it is one of god's own fruits to those who love it -- to each their own! I'm just happy I'm your type of person, nutter or no :-) *Luffles back*

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh you're as lovely as your icon!

And don't be too put out about people disliking me, goodness knows I'm not. It makes perfect sense and is rather comforting. If everyone liked me all the time, then clearly I would not actually be saying or doing anything meaningful at all. I have been a bit miffed a few times when people told basic fibs, but then I decided that since they were enjoying themselves so much, I may as well leave them their joy in it, my ego is more than healthy enough to take a few knocks!

[identity profile] davidkevin.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)

If someone associates your LJ name with your legal name and he/she is a friend of someone in Abuse Team management, it will be allowed, even encouraged: I know from personal experience.

The most important clause of the Terms of Service is not written down: "LJ Management doesn't care what the Terms of Service says, if it doesn't like you, LJ Management will do what it wants."

[identity profile] davidkevin.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)

Trust me, I know from personal experience: they are, in fact, complete bastards.

They knew what they were doing, and did it anyway. It was not a mistake, it was a choice.

[identity profile] i-autumnheart.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a new Pratchett out?!

dratted deadlines... something to look forward to when I am feed from my computer in a few weeks, I guess.

[identity profile] tomatoe18.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
ENVY! I won't be getting 'I Shall Wear Midnight' until after the Eid holiday is over because our shipments are getting cut off! *pouts*

[identity profile] hollyxu.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
somewhere in the chaos that is LJ settings is a box marked: Hide me from Facebook and Twitter, for I care not for them!

You'd think from the general protest at Facebook and the mass facepalm of Google Buzz that social network developers would learn to put one there to begin with. Grr.

In other, happier news, I am currently working my way backwards in Chinese history and wantonly adding dragons everywhere. It's great fun!
ext_2826: girl with mellow smile (* stock - piggy - oink oink)

[identity profile] gossymer.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Your post pretty much made me go "YES" - not too worried about FB/Twit crossposts personally but we're probably the minority in that regard since most users have adapted their ljs for very specific purposes with the idea that what happens in vegas under lock, stays there.

I wish LJ handled these foot-in-mouth situations better though and didn't wait 24+ hours usually to post an update, since by that time people have already decided enough is enough and switched to DW or something.

Am far more anxious about pingbacks - for one thing, I don't want to wonder about all the reasons why people might have mentioned a post of mine under flock.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a delight. Tiffany Aching, nearly finished, and very much enjoying. I'll review without spoilers in the next few days!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You will LOVE it. Something to look forward to!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! Oh goodness! I am going to start doing that with British and European history. The Battle of Hastings is IMMEDIATELY less ridiculous!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
At least pingbacks appear to be turn offable. Oh that is so not a word ... I swear, my grip on English fades with every day of snot thanks to this damned flu ...

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