blamebrampton | Ah Erko ... and Florence ... and that's not an English accent

Ah Erko ... and Florence ... and that's not an English accent

The lovely crazy French cat lady was about again today, with her giant ginger tom in her backpack, head sticking out and surveying the world. Apparently he dislikes cat cages, but is quite fond of being worn papoose-style. She inquired after our plague and I was happy to report that J and I are both on the mend. While the occasional coughing fit still occurs, and we're still fairly tired, we are definitely functional human beings again rather than flu victims. Hurrah!

This recovery, and the end of the report edit of doom (want to know anything about Australian regulatory authorities? I'm your girl!) means that I am now free to start planning the casual part of my trip to Florence in five weeks. It starts with a conference and a catch-up with my curatorial friends, and ends with a catch-up with some fandom friends, but in between there are several days of nothing.

I suspect that two straight weeks in Firenze will see me a little rabid, so I am trying to sort out what I want to do nearby. I'll be travelling by train or bus, have a modest budget and will be alone. It's the art and textiles tour, ahead of next year's romantic getaway when the cash-flow situation will be much improved. If you know the region, help me make up my mind. Bologna is calling to me, but I am trying to decide about Lucca, Ferrara, Pisa (where I m dropping in for a day anyway), Siena and San Gimignano. Any recommendations? I have been to all these spots save Lucca, but as a dissolute young person rather than as a responsible adult with High Cultural Concerns.

On the topic of cultural concerns, one strange artefact of the flu has been watching television. I am constantly surprised by what American actors think sounds English. Does this happen the other way around? Hugh Laurie and the bloke on Life both sound very American to me (with occasional vowel slippage from Hugh), do Americans hear everything that's wrong there?

Finally, a very happy birthday to

sassy_cissa ! Your kindness, generosity and talent never cease to impress and inspire me!

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YAY!!! Italy! I am so jealous. I have very little to add about travel plans other than Pisa was fine for a couple hours but I felt no need to visit longer. It may be a nice 'stop between cities' for you depending on your route.

One canadian's point of view: most British and Australia actors carry other accents very well. Particularly Aussie actors, I'm always surprise when they do interviews and I hear the accents. I cannot think of any time I have heard a slip that was blatant or annoying. As oppose to REALLY bad attempts at british or aussie accents by American or Canadian actors.

Never been to Lucca or Ferrera, and Pisa only for a couple of hours - which felt enough.

I personally adore Siena, it's so chock full of art and ambience (although the Medieval art may be more my thing than yours). I really like the whole feel of the city, just walking around looking is great. Also, San Gimignano very much appeals to me, but probably not for more than one night. There's a fantastic gelateria up in the piazza right by the Piazza del Duomo, and the last time I was there we had some absolutely wonderful food in a nice little restaurant. (Can you tell our focus there wasn't entirely cultural? ;) ) The Duomo was nice, though, and I love the towers. I'm not entirely sure how fun SG will be on your own since it's so small, but I can imagine you'll charm your way wherever you are. :)

OH, I love the kitty in the backpack! So cute.

And Happy you are feeling better.

Pisa isn't too far away from Firenze. I went and toured the tower and the domo thingy nearby. It was a nice day trip. When I was in Italy I traveled by train everywhere. We spent 3 days in Firenze, it was nice, we saw all the museums, ate lots of food, toured the religious centers.

The Cinque Terre area, north of there on the coast, is beautiful. You can do a hike between all of the towns in one day. We did that and ate gelato in every town to decide which was the best. (We thought it was Monterosso, the more tourist town of the five that had the best gelato... We stayed in Vernazza) The towns are small, quiet (though full of tourists) and I had a great time there. I could have spent more time there, probably.

Sienna is supposed to be nice, but I didn't go there. Also Portofino.

Have fun!!!

Americans are used to funny accents because lots of actors try to do lots of accents. Does that make sense? So when they are wrong, many of us probably don't notice.

Oooo! You deserve Italy after battling the hell-flu. I wish I had the experience to give advice. *sigh* Well, I hope it goes perfectly.

On accents, I can hear deviations pretty easily. Hugh Laurie and Damian Lewis are usually perfect. There's an ambient formality that remains, but it folds into the characterization. Mostly, it doesn't bother me, even when I can hear it. It's easy to accept.

The only time it gets touchy is with specialty regional accents. And American actors have just as many problems with these, especially Southern accents. It can get very political.

Gah, anyone trying to do an English accent! So. Bad. And it's always the posh upper class one, which only a small fraction of English people even have.

I don't think I've ever actually heard anyone trying to do an Australian accent. My accent is very weird currently, My vowels have turned, so when I say 'Australia' it sounds very natural Aussie, but most still sounds common Londoner. I get asked about it a lot. ;)

I love Hugh Laurie. I watched two seasons of House in one go, then watched an extra thing, hearing him talk naturally, and was whoa, oh yeah, that's how he actually talks! :D

And yay for you and Italy!

so glad to hear you're ~~finally~~ on the mend. :)

i think it depends with accents. just like the majority of americans think that all brits sound a certain way (yes, i'm looking at you angelina jolie!!) i think some brit and even aussie actors think they've got an "american accent" down, but in actuallity, they really don't. hugh jackman is a perfect example. he slips ALL the time, as does rusell crowe and good GOD nicole kidman. but let's stop picking on the aussies...i hear hugh laurie slip on house as well. i think he just tries to hard. his 'R' sounds are way to harsh and sharp. i can't really figure out what part of the country house is supposed to represent. it's not east coast or mid-west. it's like he's trying to combine both accents...but ends up sounding like a brit trying to hard. i can think of only one actor who pulls off an american accent flawlessly, and that's gary oldman. i don't know how he does it. for the longest time i thought he was american! kate winslet pulls a very tight and close second.

Lucca didn't impress me as much as San Gimignano. I went to San Gimignano three times (all day trips) and all three times I had fun.

And I think Siena deserves two full days there, at least, because I think everyone should be at Piazza Del Campo for at least half a day and do nothing else but sit there. I'm very partial to Siena so you really must go there so I can experience Siena again through you. :P

Also, I think Bologna is better saved for your next trip because it's a bigger city and you're already going to be in Firenze. If you're keen on visiting another region that is NOT Toscana, then I'd suggest to try Cinque Terre instead. Like

winnett said, it's a beautiful place. Stupid me, I didn't visit there (and now I'm really crying from the utter regret), but my friends had nothing but great things to say about that place.

OK, I'm going back to my little corner and continue to be jealous at you. *sulks*

Hey there! Meant to say thanks for friending me. :o) *feels special*

I don't think there's anything much in Pisa. I would recommend going further up the line to the La Spezia area. La Spezia itself is nothing special but Portovenere and the Cinque Terre (a string of 5 villages perched between steep hillside and the sea) are beautiful. (And abound with excellent seafood!)

In Florence, you need a day for the Ufizzi alone. And pick out beforehand what you don't mind missing. That place is enormous.

You could also try Assisi, to the south east - it's gorgeous.

Fortunately the trains are amazing, in that they are punctual fast and cheap, and go damn near everywhere.

If you can, go spend a night in one of the towns in Cinque Terre. It's about 2.5 hours by train from Florence, and it's amazingly beautiful. There's an 11km trail between the five towns and you can spend the day hiking in amazing scenery and pausing for a gelato, pizza or glass of wine in each town!

wow, i am so jealous of your upcoming trip to italy! i can't recommend one place over another since i've never been to the region, but i hope i can visit sometime in the near future.

as for accents, i think hugh laurie does a pretty good job. i almost always forget that he's not an american and get terribly shocked when i watch his interviews.

americans doing british accents is..well, not that great.

i have a weird accent myself - it's a complete hodgepodge. certain words have an underlying english strain since i learnt the language from the brits, but then the presence of american culture in the middle east in a post-gulf war 1 age did strange things to my diction. and then i moved to canada.

so yea, it's just a weird melange, heh.

Very few American actors can actually fake an accent. >> It's sad.. I've never herad anyone try to fake an American accent though!

Go to Siena and pretend you're me?

First of all, I'm so happy you're on the mend. And I'm more than just a teeny bit jealous of a trip to Florence. I've made it to Paris and Frankfort (and surrounding areas) but have not made it to Italy. One day I hope to see it.

Secondly, thank you for the birthday wishes and your kind words. I'm humbled and pleased. ♥

Hugh Laurie does fantastically well. I'm always floored when I hear him speak naturally, even though I know he's a Brit, I consistently forget. As for the Life guy, I had no idea he was! I guess that means he's doing a bang up job of it.

A badly done accent can throw me right out of a movie. Although I love the Kevin Costner Robin Hood because of Alan Rickman, Costner's accent was a disaster, which must have been clear to him as well, as he abandoned it halfway through the movie. We won't even mention the Dick Van Dyke cockney debacle.

I think most Brit and the numerous Aussie actors regularly appearing on our TVs do a fine job of it. It's very rarely that I think "oh, he/she's fighting an accent."
The less practiced, however, sound really really nasal.

I'm not sure how much weight my opinion holds, though, because I think there are a lot of American actors that do great English accents. Fools me!

I remember seeing the original Forsyte Saga series years ago, and the woman they had playing Anne, Jon's American wife....she had to do a southern accent, and...the poor thing. It didn't go well. At all. I cringed every time she opened her mouth. I was like...omg, do they really think American Southerners sound like that?

Don't they have dialect and accent coaches nowadays in the film industry though? I wonder how much that sort of thing would cost for regular people. Probably a lot more money than I make! Still, I'd love to have someone work with me on perfecting an accent other than my own.

Can't help you with Italy. Go where you're least likely to contract the flu again. :P

The talk about accents amused me greatly. At least it's only bad accent, but every time American movies or shows decide they need something exotic and put in "Hungarian" charatcters, they always end up with Russian names, look Russian, and I suspect the closest they've ever come to Hungary is eating goulash in a Hungarian restaurant. Last time I encountered "Hungarian speaking" characters in an American show, I pressed rewind four times, trying to figure out what they were saying, allegedly in Hungarian, before I gave it up. :P

I am glad you are feeling better.

Your trip sounds wonderful! I have no advice about excursions, as If it were me, I would probably just lose myself in Florence for the "empty" days. Ah, Florence!

Australian regulatory authorities, eh? I'm sure there must be something interesting about that...;)

Maybe I'm late, but if not, you should also consider Arezzo.
It's nearer than Siena to Firenze, about an hour by train, and even if it's smaller it's beautiful and full of history and art.
Piero della Fracesca's fresco cycle of "The Legend of the True Cross" in San Francesco Basil alone are worth the journey.
Also little Anghiari or Cortona are nice for a couple hours.

I hope your journey here in Italy will fulfill your dreams about it.

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