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blamebrampton ([personal profile] blamebrampton) wrote2011-01-08 04:37 pm

A case in point ...

So, there we were, having a chat on a friend's LJ about the differences between the US and the UK for purposes of a self-Britpicking list, with participants from both sides of the pond and beyond and frequent diversions into baiting and comedy from all sides, and apparently it has become a source of Flocked Drama.

Consider the argument very carefully: At least one American is very upset that British people prefer to be depicted in accurate ways.

And if you can't see why that's a bit dodgy, replace the word British with any other nationality.

I don't want to overstate the case, because really, it doesn't culturally oppress us the way that some other cultures have been oppressed by this sort of thing, since we don't deeply care and we had an Empire first. And while the original source of the complaint is a preference, it's certainly not a sine qua non, and we read heaps of stuff that gets us wrong, and some of it is good and some is crap, and really, at the end of the day we still pronounce and spell aluminium in ways that are scientifically logical, which in itself is enough. But, honestly ...

Interestingly, one of my points of difference was a tendency to soap-opera-like over-reactions in fiction. Clearly I drew the line too narrowly.

AND I left off the fact that it the entire United States has been the subject of mass-brainwashing to accept caffeinated flavoured beverages as coffee. Though I see Starbucks has dropped the word from their logo, truth in advertising at last!

May I jump in?

[identity profile] kestrelsparhawk.livejournal.com 2011-01-10 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Edward Hall says that culture teaches us what to notice and what to ignore. Stuart Hall (no relation!) says that culture is the water fish swim in -- they never notice it until they're not in it (very free translations, but I think accurate). Taken together, the obvious conclusion is that if the Halls are right, you can identify a culture by what members of it notice and ignore, but also notice and ignore what they're noticing and ignoring.

Aggggh. I would never have been able to defend that sentence in my diss. Sorry -- will ponder saying it better. The point is that I'm suggesting that a functional definition of culture would work better than an essential one.

Hmmm... I have lots to say about this. I think I should stop before I bore everyone to sleep, and go post something on my own ego-extension.... which perhaps might find a way out of this particular impasse.