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blamebrampton ([personal profile] blamebrampton) wrote2008-09-08 09:17 pm

Conspiracies and their debunking

Wonderful BBC documentary on World Trade Centre Tower 7 shown tonight on the ABC (Australian version thereof). I still cannot watch any of that footage without deep sorrow, especially for the emergency workers who worked there on that day. The emergency workers interviewed in the doco regarding the many conspiracy theories were respectful and considerate of the theorists' positions, but all gave clear and unambiguous statements about the sequence of events they saw on that day, which utterly debunked the conspiracies.

Of the other interviewees, Richard Clarke, White House counter-terrorism coordinator during the Clinton and first W. Bush administrations, was particularly sane. He argued that anyone who believes that government is capable of a conspiracy on this scale has simply never worked in government. Governments are not competent enough, nor secretive enough, to accomplish a conspiracy on any broad scale. Even their pissweak conspiracies (ah Nixon ...) are soon uncovered.

It reminded me of one of my friends who took up with the naturopathic version of Amway and seriously informed me that there were several cures for cancer available, but that pharmaceutical companies kept them quiet for the money they earn on ongoing treatments.

I looked at her askance, and said, "But ... science doesn't work that way. Scientists who discovered real and easy cures for cancer, of the sort you're talking about, would first of all have been subject to peer review for years, so it wouldn't be a secret, and secondly would prefer the Nobel Prize for Medicine to any amount of money."

"They could be bought off!" she assured me.

"Have you ever met a scientist?" I asked, then reminded her the Nobel comes with a reasonable amount of cash.

In a far more banal, but similar vein, the Times online is spitting over the fact that race stewards penalised Lewis Hamilton 25 seconds in yesterday's F1 Grand Prix, relegating him to third and handing the win to Ferrari's Massa. They describe the race as one of Hamilton's 'most daring performances' and claim that it's a conspiracy against Lewis. I watched that race. The stewards were right. And Lewis drove a safe and contained race and was perfectly happy settling for second before unexpected rain handed him a massive tyre advantage on the final four laps. But that's not as exciting as the published version.

And, to end on the conspiracy theme, I do not believe the world will end on Wednesday when the Large Hadron Collider is switched on. But I do believe Professor Brian Cox is astonishingly hot for a physicist.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh! Yes! Though I think we can blame his boy band background for the publicity shots ;-)

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
There is no emoticon for the particular head shaking I am doing right now ...

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I know I am going to regret asking ...

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
No access, and I would probably flee.

[identity profile] empress-jae.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
aww, they locked it? damn ontd.

it wasn't anything too bad. one of my fellow pervy americans snuck a camera into equus over the weekend and got shots of daniel's bits. more like bits and melon-balls actually. kind of looks like a slight case of elephantitis back there...

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe he keeps his change in there?

[identity profile] empress-jae.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
that would be kinda noisy during his performance, wouldn't it?

and cold too.

[identity profile] absynthedrinker.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
"Debunking" is being snatched from one's bunk in the middle of the night and essentially being gang-raped. Not a pleasant experience to be sure, but perhaps "fascinating" just as you suggest.

Peace,
Bubba
Edited 2008-09-08 14:34 (UTC)

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Whatever happened to brothers in arms? Ew.

[identity profile] beatnikspinster.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, WTC Conspiracies. Tis the f-in' season. They run around downtown this time of year, treating it like a conspiracy-edition of the Burning Man festival. The first five years were too raw for that. I always wanted to tell them, "Hey Tragedy-Tourist, it's great that you've extrapolated these fantasies from what you saw on your tv, from your sofa. But those around you actually walked through it and lost loved ones, so kindly STFU." Now, it's not quite as raw. Thank god.

Cox is pretty attractive, but not hotter than Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.

[identity profile] madchemist36.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'm sure there are arms involved, what with the holding down and all...

(I'm sorry, I had to say it. I am ashamed of myself.)

[identity profile] madchemist36.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering the raw terror that a few light-brites caused in Boston, I highly doubt we would have missed something so obvious.

[identity profile] madchemist36.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking as a scientist, no fucking way could I be bought off if I found a cure for anything. Even something mundane, like chicken pox or something. The notoriety is worth so much more than mere money.

Of course they will then refuse to fund any research projects for the foreseeable future, but that is what the private sector is for!

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
F-locked. But if you tell me it's worth it I'll join the comm.

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha. I used to feel the same way about Schumacher. (I told you it was a long time ago...) Although that might have been only the idgit Hungarian commenter.

[identity profile] empress-jae.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
damn ontd. *rollseyes*

it's not worth it. i comtemplate leaving the comm everyday out of fear of loosing intelligence, but i stay for the lolz. :D

a pervy american snuck a camera into equus over the weekend and posted photos of danrad's bits and bobbles. and he's got some bobbles. holy melon balls. :D

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
LOLz Now I have to google it. :D

[identity profile] empress-jae.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* yup...same.

figures perez would have them too. and open for the whole world to see. :D

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL Never heard of this Perez person before. But now people who would only go to watch the play to see DR's bits will be disappointed - or not, depending on their expectations.

[identity profile] shiv5468.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
WEll he was a opostar first.

I'm looking forward to the end of the world. At least it will get me out of my appraisal.

[identity profile] tsosh.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The Zionists did it!11!!
=D You can't imagine how many times I've heard this about 9/11 (and everything else in the world). And of course there's Bush-the-Reptilian-Alien-in-a-human-Suit that wants to be the leader of The New World Order, and that it was only holograms and not real planes...
Conspiracy theories can be fun, but the 9/11 ones are always making me angry. They usually have clear political agenda, show no respect to the victims, and are supported by lies masked as facts. And those people make money out of it by selling books and DVDs.

[identity profile] snottygrrl.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
when i asked my yoga class about health tips for my cousin J i got the medical conspiracy theory bit. that expanded to more drug company theories and scientist who know things and have to fight The Man to get their stuff to the Good People of the Earth. [*rolls eyes*]

also, i know several hot physicists (my brother being one (she says in a totally not incestual way))

[identity profile] uminohikari.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you read H2G2? Obviously, the world cannot end on Wednesday, because it ends on a Thursday

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