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blamebrampton ([personal profile] blamebrampton) wrote2008-10-28 12:40 pm

A drive-by post on Proposition 8

I am still a mile behind on replying to the brilliant comments from many of you on elite comms (but I will get to them before I leave for Italy!), and have been buried deep in my Darkfest fic, which may yet kill me. However, I have been reading posts from a number of my Californian flist about how Proposition 8 would affect their lives, and I wanted to add another small perspective. (ETA: thanks [livejournal.com profile] daybreaq  for pointing out that Florida has a similar proposition, Amendment 2.)

Much of the literature against gay marriage treats it as some new phenomenon, a sign of the end times, or a wacky new millennial trend that should be stamped out, like bubble skirts.

This is not true. If I had time, I'd insert an essay here on the history of gay and lesbian relationships and their on-again, off-again relationship with secular and religious blessings. But instead I'll just point out that there are many, many children of gay parents out there who are in their thirties, forties, fifties and above. I 'm one of them.

I was just a small baby when my mother realised the reason her marriage to my father was falling apart wasn't just that they had bugger-all in common, it was that she actually fancied women. For both my parents, this was a relief. Mum was at last able to understand a large part of herself that had been a mystery to her. Dad didn't have to face the horrifying possibility of a heterosexual woman who found him unattractive.

Now my father was older than my mother, richer, more stable, and further along in his life's plan. When he suggested that he could be my primary carer, she agreed it was the most sensible option. But it was also the only option. Her mother told her flat out that if she had maintained custody of me, they (my maternal grandparents) would take me away from her in the courts. They meant it, and they would have won.

So I grew up a continent away from my mother. I had a jolly good time, my Dad was great and his parents were fabulous fun for a kid, and between my huge extended family and Dad's big and bolshie peer group, it was a good upbringing that made me resilient, upbeat and capable. I saw my mother most years, while Dad was alive he would fly her over when she had time, and after he died his parents helped, too.

But if I am being honest, there are times when I would have liked a mother. And there were many, many more times when my mother would have liked a daughter. However, lesbians 'didn't have' real relationships in those days. They weren't wives, they weren't mothers, ask any legislator. So I was always a daughter for the holidays, or for a long weekend, and she was a mother of flying visits and frequent goodbyes, missing more than she was there for.

My first memories of my mother, and my experience of her now, is of someone who is dreadful at relationships. Because she really is. But in between, from when I was quite young till when I was a teenager, she had a wonderful girlfriend who I'll call A. She loved A dearly. I loved A, too, and so did my Dad and my Grandparents. A was a wonderful, wonderful person. If they had been able to marry, I think that it would have made my mother very happy. I know that it would have made them both think much longer and harder about breaking up, which they did because they were both stubborn and hot tempered and because it involved calling for a truck and packing one person's belongings and then it was done, with no more effort than that, ten years dissolved and not a signature required.

Because she had just been a girlfriend, A had no rights with me at all. She stayed in touch with me for five years after she and my mother broke up, but without a sense of formal belonging, she felt embarrassed at times, as though she was intruding. I found this out after she died, if I had known at the time I'd have told her she was always welcome. But I was young and self-involved as all young people are, so I accepted her moving on and away. Because she was just a girlfriend.

If they had been married, breaking up would have been hard. It would have required thought and time and effort and they may well have resolved it was a bad plan once the initial fight had simmered down. A would have been my step-mother, someone official. She would have been someone I could have opted to live with when my father died while I was still very young, someone who could have signed school forms and been involved, I would have been 'her' child in a real sense, rather than the child of her partner.

Years later there was another woman, we'll call her B. She moved her whole life at Mum's whim and when their relationship dissolved five years later she was left in a strange country with no resources, no career, no infrastructure, and no access to the shared assets that she had helped tend through the course of the relationship. If she had been a man, her rights would have been recognised under de facto legislation in place at the time. But she wasn't a man and she wasn't a wife, so she was left in the lurch.

Last year, I watched the Australian government and opposition talk about recognition of same-sex relationships and families, and one senator stood up and said that he wanted to protect the family.

And that made me angry, because my family is a family, too. And while my mother and I might have a slightly mad relationship, it's pretty bloody good when you consider that it was forged in spite of a culture and legal framework that wanted to destroy it altogether.

These days, it's not the occasional formerly married lesbian who has children, it's a great many women who have decided to commit to a family together. And it's a great many men, too, who have to go to even greater effort. Their children deserve the legal protection that a marriage brings. They deserve to know that their family is a family, too, in the eyes of the state, so that they never need worry that the framework that spells home to them can be denied. They need to know that both of their parents will be able to pick them up from school, sign their consent forms in hospital, keep them should tragedy strike.

Voting against gay marriage is a vote against families.

Think of the children.


[identity profile] norton-gale.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I know... the poor lawyers are always left out of the equation. *sobs*

[identity profile] shiv5468.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
It's heartless, that's what it is.
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Voting against gay marriage is a vote against families.

Think of the children.
Bless you, love. You have said eloquently what my brain has been stumbling around for weeks. What it boils down to is a refusal by the right to RECOGNIZE our families as families... fortunately, the courts are (mostly) not so narrow-minded.
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say that it baffles me. Why is it my business how anyone else has sex? It would be absurd to have people shunned because they like to do it standing up, but the minute you shift the gender of one partner, suddenly shagging is everyone's business. Why?

All of the people who talk about marriage being for procreation only clearly haven;t been paying attention, lesbians in my neck of town are more likely to have a baby in tow than the straight women. I have two gay male friends who have babies (and they're not with each other, so that's four boys in my circle alone). And a high number of my straight friends have had IVF, so trotting out the 'natural' argument is spurious, too.
This satirical YouTube video makes both of these points quite nicely.
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
If people are really concerned about damage to the institution of marriage, they should be restricting access to it for straight people. I weep at some of the ones I have seen!
More to the point, they should make it harder to get married, so there aren't so many bad marriages in the first place. As the Good Book says (excuse me, I'm channeling Tevye), "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones."
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard of at least one local-community LDS church leader who was excommunicated by his bishop for refusing to preach "Yes on 8" in his church. I say, "Good on him!"
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I truly believe that by the end of my lifetime, we will look back on issues like this as we look back on miscegenation now, and wonder 'how could anyone have ever thought there was anything wrong with supporting love and commitment?'
Not for nothin', but there are STILL people who think interracial relationships are immoral. Not that they'd admit it under torture, but they're out there...
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
He says with appropriate rage at the far right— what about my kid?
The far right's answer to Mr. Savage, and any other gay parent is, "You shouldn't have a kid, so quitcher bellyachin'." It's moronic, it's narrow-minded. I can't wrap my mind around the very IDEA of absolutism.
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
It's why I try very hard not to scoff when I meet gay Republicans, because there should be gay Republicans.
No, sorry. Can't sell me that one. In the current climate, gay Republican = greedy selfish bastard. I'm a fiscal conservative in the Goldwater mold... but I'd slit my wrists before I'd vote for a Republican today. The only reason for a gay person to vote Republican right now is to protect his own little hoard of money; it's unconscionable.
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Literally? Word for word? Or are you being hyperbolic? LOL!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
There were additional strange noises and miming, but it was too much of a challenge to spell them. By deadline on a monthly mag, your brain has gone so far to pudding that you can write, or speak, but not both.

The artists delight in asking us difficult questions at this point in the cycle as the results are always comic.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree. Voting Republican in this election is unconscionable, but being one isn't. Conservatives deserve a good Republican party, and should be fighting to get one back. Until then, they have an economically sound Democrat to vote for, so should be following Gen. Powell's example ;-)

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't even think it's all of the Right, but it's certainly the loudest part. Every time I think too much about politics in the US I come over all Margaret Atwood and need to have a good lie down ...
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[personal profile] drgaellon 2008-10-28 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
True. You can think any way you like. However, I think any gay person who votes Republican in this election should be shunned. SHUUUUUUUNED.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, actually voting for them at the moment is completely beyond the pale, and should result in one having a scarlet R sewn to one's garments. Completely agree.
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[identity profile] supergreak.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
This is truly touching. And if I hadn't already voted "no", this would have convinced me to.
(sorry for the icon-I was lacking a prop 8 one)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_pinkchocolate/ 2008-10-29 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for writing this *hugs* I live in California but I can't vote because I'm a Canadian citizen. I'm doing everything I can for the No on Prop 8 movement, though -- volunteering at election-related concerts and fundraisers, working phone booths, handing out flyers, etc. I'm going to share this post with everyone I know :)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_aurora_sky_/ 2008-10-29 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
THAT... THAT is EXACTLY what I've been saying.

I'm out in Southern California, woman, been with my girlfriend for over 5 years... and we're fighting prop 8, but I can't tell you the real, actual, gut-wrenching fear I have that it'll pass... I think it will. I don't want it to but...

Just this weekend I made a sign for a rally that said, "PROTECT ALL FAMILIES" And drew bathroom door-like figures of two women with a child, a man and a woman with a child, and two men with a child, because the right keeps going ON AND ON about protecting families, when they fail to think about all the families that will be severely hurt if this passes.

I've donated, I've been going to rallies, I've been posting on MySpace relentlessly, and last night I nearly resorted to prayer. I've been ranting and raving about prop 8 up and down my LJ and it's... comforting to see someone else talk about it for once ^^U And my stress about this goes beyond my desire to marry... This would set a precedent and I don't even want to think about the repercussions, the least of which being that religious belief has blatantly justified a law.

I... I have to stop there, otherwise I'll get too worked up and give myself the migraines I'm damn near used to these days. I just... thank you for this post, and thank you for your strength. I'm totally adding you, if that's alright <3

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
I'm giggling a lot at the thought of GLBT terrorism --

'I say we paint their offices PINK!'
'Oh god, Stuart, could you be more cliched? We should hack their home page and replace it with a site listing their company's appalling record with GLBT employees.'
'OK, look, it's effective and it's very new millennium, but I don't think we should move away from some of the gay community's traditional values.'
'What if I use a sparkly font?'
'Love it!'

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh thank you so much for all your efforts! You are really making a difference!

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
Please do add (though I should warn you most posts are about Harry Potter fic, or my cats, sometimes grammar ...)

I have my breath held for families like yours. On the one hand I know that a majority of Americans are kind and decent people, but you also don't have compulsory voting and you do have highly organised fundamentalists.

If it does pass, is that the final say in your state? Or can the federal government or federal courts rule that the state is taking away rights that it should not be able to? Good luck, and thank you for stopping in.
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[identity profile] supergreak.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
Fabulous!
I feel a plot bunny coming on...

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
I would completely read that fic ;-)
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[identity profile] supergreak.livejournal.com 2008-10-30 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
You're tempting me!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_aurora_sky_/ 2008-10-30 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
Please do add (though I should warn you most posts are about Harry Potter fic, or my cats, sometimes grammar ...)

Oh, do tell >D We have two awesome cats that are an endless amount of amusement to us... one named Pickle and one named... Nagini ;) You like AS/S and H/D... I'm SO THERE.

I've been trying to find out if there's a "plan b", in case this DOES pass, and I really don't know. I'm sure any kind of federal ruling would trump a state ruling -- all the more reason to get Obama in office, to make sure we get some 21st Century judges in the Supreme Court and not judges that, like, still think slavery is a good idea or summat.

Alrght, Imma go stalk your LJ for cat stories and smut innocent fanfic...

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