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blamebrampton ([personal profile] blamebrampton) wrote2008-10-28 12:40 pm

A drive-by post on Proposition 8

I am still a mile behind on replying to the brilliant comments from many of you on elite comms (but I will get to them before I leave for Italy!), and have been buried deep in my Darkfest fic, which may yet kill me. However, I have been reading posts from a number of my Californian flist about how Proposition 8 would affect their lives, and I wanted to add another small perspective. (ETA: thanks [livejournal.com profile] daybreaq  for pointing out that Florida has a similar proposition, Amendment 2.)

Much of the literature against gay marriage treats it as some new phenomenon, a sign of the end times, or a wacky new millennial trend that should be stamped out, like bubble skirts.

This is not true. If I had time, I'd insert an essay here on the history of gay and lesbian relationships and their on-again, off-again relationship with secular and religious blessings. But instead I'll just point out that there are many, many children of gay parents out there who are in their thirties, forties, fifties and above. I 'm one of them.

I was just a small baby when my mother realised the reason her marriage to my father was falling apart wasn't just that they had bugger-all in common, it was that she actually fancied women. For both my parents, this was a relief. Mum was at last able to understand a large part of herself that had been a mystery to her. Dad didn't have to face the horrifying possibility of a heterosexual woman who found him unattractive.

Now my father was older than my mother, richer, more stable, and further along in his life's plan. When he suggested that he could be my primary carer, she agreed it was the most sensible option. But it was also the only option. Her mother told her flat out that if she had maintained custody of me, they (my maternal grandparents) would take me away from her in the courts. They meant it, and they would have won.

So I grew up a continent away from my mother. I had a jolly good time, my Dad was great and his parents were fabulous fun for a kid, and between my huge extended family and Dad's big and bolshie peer group, it was a good upbringing that made me resilient, upbeat and capable. I saw my mother most years, while Dad was alive he would fly her over when she had time, and after he died his parents helped, too.

But if I am being honest, there are times when I would have liked a mother. And there were many, many more times when my mother would have liked a daughter. However, lesbians 'didn't have' real relationships in those days. They weren't wives, they weren't mothers, ask any legislator. So I was always a daughter for the holidays, or for a long weekend, and she was a mother of flying visits and frequent goodbyes, missing more than she was there for.

My first memories of my mother, and my experience of her now, is of someone who is dreadful at relationships. Because she really is. But in between, from when I was quite young till when I was a teenager, she had a wonderful girlfriend who I'll call A. She loved A dearly. I loved A, too, and so did my Dad and my Grandparents. A was a wonderful, wonderful person. If they had been able to marry, I think that it would have made my mother very happy. I know that it would have made them both think much longer and harder about breaking up, which they did because they were both stubborn and hot tempered and because it involved calling for a truck and packing one person's belongings and then it was done, with no more effort than that, ten years dissolved and not a signature required.

Because she had just been a girlfriend, A had no rights with me at all. She stayed in touch with me for five years after she and my mother broke up, but without a sense of formal belonging, she felt embarrassed at times, as though she was intruding. I found this out after she died, if I had known at the time I'd have told her she was always welcome. But I was young and self-involved as all young people are, so I accepted her moving on and away. Because she was just a girlfriend.

If they had been married, breaking up would have been hard. It would have required thought and time and effort and they may well have resolved it was a bad plan once the initial fight had simmered down. A would have been my step-mother, someone official. She would have been someone I could have opted to live with when my father died while I was still very young, someone who could have signed school forms and been involved, I would have been 'her' child in a real sense, rather than the child of her partner.

Years later there was another woman, we'll call her B. She moved her whole life at Mum's whim and when their relationship dissolved five years later she was left in a strange country with no resources, no career, no infrastructure, and no access to the shared assets that she had helped tend through the course of the relationship. If she had been a man, her rights would have been recognised under de facto legislation in place at the time. But she wasn't a man and she wasn't a wife, so she was left in the lurch.

Last year, I watched the Australian government and opposition talk about recognition of same-sex relationships and families, and one senator stood up and said that he wanted to protect the family.

And that made me angry, because my family is a family, too. And while my mother and I might have a slightly mad relationship, it's pretty bloody good when you consider that it was forged in spite of a culture and legal framework that wanted to destroy it altogether.

These days, it's not the occasional formerly married lesbian who has children, it's a great many women who have decided to commit to a family together. And it's a great many men, too, who have to go to even greater effort. Their children deserve the legal protection that a marriage brings. They deserve to know that their family is a family, too, in the eyes of the state, so that they never need worry that the framework that spells home to them can be denied. They need to know that both of their parents will be able to pick them up from school, sign their consent forms in hospital, keep them should tragedy strike.

Voting against gay marriage is a vote against families.

Think of the children.


[identity profile] empress-jae.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
*wipes tears*

very well said. and thank you for that slice of your life. i think if more people heard stories like this, there wouldn't be any issues of who should and shouldn't marry. well...one would hope.

and i apoligize for the icon. it's the best i got. it's either this or explicit boysex in regards to my gay icons. ;)
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[identity profile] rickey-a.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for sharing, love. It's not easy to be fair and honest at an introspective hindsight view of your life, but I think you have done so here. Of course, you're preaching to the choir here on LJ. I've tried over the past few weeks to insert my "I'm voting no on 8" speech with my RL school age kids moms friends w/out being to overbearing. It's these middle ground people who need to think long and hard for they will decided this here in Cali. Folks like me will vote no, the religious right will vote yes, and somewhere in between these average middle of the roaders are going to make a very big decision.

*hugs*

[identity profile] ciel-vert.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Your point was beautifully articulated and I agree whole-heartedly. Thank you for sharing your story. I only wish those who support Prop 8 would read such essays and have their minds changed.

[identity profile] norton-gale.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to bed right now (it's almost 11 pm here), but will comment officially tomorrow when I'm more awake. I feel very strongly about this issue and do not understand why anyone would be opposed to gay marriage - aka the official legitimization of gay relationships. And what kills me is that these people are so upset about their children learning that gay people can marry: as though "the gay agenda" (basically to end prejudice against gays and allow them equal rights) is something immoral and distasteful.

[identity profile] annafugazzi.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

Would you mind if I linked to you from my other lj? Not this one, as my flist would make it pretty much preaching to the choir ;) but my other one, with RL friends and family who sometimes really don't seem to get the kind of thing you're talking about here.

[identity profile] leela-cat.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

(Anonymous) 2008-10-28 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
That would be fine! All my public entries are, well, public. (It's me, anonymous because I am at my desk and not logging in, but you can tell from the crazy punctuation ;-)
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[identity profile] complications-g.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for writing about this.

My mum's mother was a lesbian (she died a few years ago) and I only found out after she was gone, recently-ish, and my mum never talks about her childhood much. She and her brother stayed with their mum, and they had a pretty hard time growing up. (They were born in the 60s.)

The 'family' excuse really pisses me off so much. They don't say single parent households aren't families, even though they don't have a mother and a father around, so why should gay and lesbian households be any different?

[identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I am on tenterhooks regarding this proposition (living in California). It takes all my willpower not to run my car over the Yes on 8 placard on my neighbors front lawn (as they are Mormon and the Mormon church has donated $6 million dollars to this effort). WORD!

[identity profile] jamie2109.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
My uncle (dad's brother) left a ten year marriage and three children because he realised he was gay. That was 25 years ago and has been with the same partner ever since. They both missed out on so much with his children because her parents are very 'religious' and fought him having much access to them in case he infected them with his illness. Until they were old enough to forge their own relationship with him and his partner, the kids saw him at birthdays and Christmases and such. It's much better now but children shouldn't be made to miss out on experiencing a wonderfully committed working relationship. Their mother married again, had more children and separated and divorced again. Yet she is a better parent than my uncle who has been in the one monogamous relationship for over 25 years. Makes no sense to me.

Anyway, thank you for sharing your story, it's sad that you missed out on so much.

[identity profile] coffeejunkii.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
i wish people who aren't on board with gay marriage yet could read this! but i suspect none of them are on your flist.

[identity profile] winstonmom.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Wonderful way to explain things. I guess we are sometimes so involved in the politics of certain issues that we tend to not see the real picture. You are a true witness to the effects our decisions have in real families.
Thanks for sharing darling.

[identity profile] winstonmom.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
I am Mormon and when they called to ask about putting a sign on my yard I told them nope!
I could tell the person on the other side of the phone was dying to report me to the bishop. LOL
Live and let live.

[identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the news here has been running all these stories about how many Mormons in the Bay Area are very divided on the issue. Not my neighbors apparently!

[identity profile] prilbrum.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Beautifully put. I've recently been reading a lot of Dan Savage's writings. He is a popular internationally syndicated sex advice columnist from Seattle--my city (he is gay,--but the advice is not "gay advice"--straights and gays both write to him in droves for his extremely honest and often explicit advice ). He is hilarious, profane, intense, personal and political. And he makes the same point you do: if the far right claims it's all about protecting children, then what about the thousands of children being raised by gay parents? What about giving them the protection and security that comes with the legal and societal recognition given by marraige?

He says with appropriate rage at the far right-- what about my kid?

I highly recommend his two books about his family. One is The Kid: What Happened When My Boyfriend and I Decided to Adopt.

The second is calledThe Commitment: Love, Sex, and my Family.

It chronicles the year leading up to his and his boyfriend's tenth anniversary, and their waffling ideas about whether to get married or not. The adoption already happened six years previous. Dan's Catholic mother is pushing for it, their six year old son doesn't think men can get married, and the boyfriend doesn't want to act like straight people.

This is a very entertaining, and yet powerfully persuasive narrative--only a person made of ice could read it and not feel ashamed of a stance that denies the right of a secure and happy union to all families, however they are composed.

Thank you very much for sharing your own story. It is very moving and I think personal examples are very important for people to hear.

[identity profile] nolagal.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Fabulous! I agree with you completely. The argument about how same-sex marriage would destroy the family is beyond backward and makes me livid. Many same-sex couples have wonderful, amazing families and are some of the best parents because they have often have to work so much harder to even start a family.

[identity profile] romaine24.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
You may be preaching to the choir but I want to thank you for sharing something so personal. I'm glad you had family that seemed to understand what was going on and that your dad was able to be there for you and for your mother.

I really despise that the US is so screwed up right now. *sigh*
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[identity profile] meredyth-13.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
I have a lot of words in my head, but mostly ...

WORD!

*hugs*
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[personal profile] luthien82 2008-10-28 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Very well said! If I'd be a citizen of California, I'd totally vote against Prop 8.

Not that I wouldn't have done that anyway, because Prop 8 is stupid, but just saying.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:35 am (UTC)(link)
Both would work well!

No need for tears, I had a great childhood for the most part, Mum had by far the worst part of the deal. But the general level of unfairness is a major factor in why J and I have never married: we have friends who have been together even longer than we have who don't have the choice just because they're the same gender. XXX

[identity profile] tomatoe18.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
I have nothing to add to this. But I just want to say that this post made me cry (in a good way). I'm glad you shared your life story with us! It's an eye-opener for me. *HUGS* :)

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I did think that it was all wasted on my flist ;-) But anyone who has a relative or friend who just doesn't see the full implications of the rhetoric is welcome to send them here.

Don't mistake me, my Dad was a great father and I would probably have strangled my Mum at some point if I'd lived with her full time, but I do think that a lot of the things that have made her life hard would have disappeared if she had been someone who had proper human rights in all aspects of her life. The fact that her mother was happy to insist she didn't was ... hard.

At the evil grandmother's funeral, Mum cried to me that she had always fallen short in her mother's eyes. 'Yes,' I replied, 'but she was an idiot. Why are you being upset by an idiot just because she was related to you?' When she stopped laughing at my bare-faced cheek, she admitted it was a good point.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I smiled at myself as I was writing, since my flist is probably one of the least necessary places to point any of this out. But I thought it could be helpful for anyone collecting stories to point out to relatives.

I do love my flist ...

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I love the 'gay agenda' icons that people have, things like human rights, love, tomatoes ... What I have found really inspiring during my lifetime is the actions of GLBT activists and individuals who have stood up publicly, even when it was against their private interests. Judges, athletes, politicians, priests, butchers, bakers, actors, artists ... every one of them says 'I am normal, this is what normal is.'

Years ago I had a chat with the leading gay activist at my university, who was curious as to why I spent so much time hanging out with the lesbians but seemed to usually have a boyfriend. I told him that it was a lifelong habit and gave a potted history. 'But ... but you're so normal,' he said. 'Yes, of course!' I replied, and he laughed.

I've had the same conversation many times since with a lot of anti-gay activists. They don't tend to laugh, but sometimes they think, and that's reason enough to keep having the conversation.

[identity profile] blamebrampton.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
It really was me! ;-)

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